Apostolic Succession - Part 2
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From: Fando911@aol.com
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Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 9:30 AM
Subject: Re: APOSTOLIC SUCCESSION
Fando: Dear preacher David Lim,
Peace be with you.
D Lim: False peace from a blind, arrogant and insulting fellow again!
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Fando: You have a blurry problem with the word "apostle", thereby you limit what God can and cannot do. I have shown you the continuity of God's plan, both his oral and written message, transmitted from the Old Testament and to the present time and beyond.
D Lim: Fando has lied again and again. The continuity of Gods plan is that according to Scriptures, as it is written.
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Fando: To be sure, any one sent by God or to a successor of one sent by God to convey His message with authority is a rep, agent, messenger, appointee, delegate, in the person of an apostle/prophet/angel/anointed king/rabbi/elder/presbyter/overseer/bishop/priest/deacon or any one he designates.
D Lim: I am directly sent by the Almighty, yet this RC opposes me with RC lies and insults. So much for succession.
D Lim: For sure, my messengers do not succeed me. They are just sent by me for some message.
My students are my students. They do not succeed me.
D Lim: God does not rely on successors of successors. In fact (from Scriptures) God does not send anyone to appoint successor of the sent ones. The Apostles were not succeeded. Timothy and Titus did not succeed Paul. And prophets do not succeed prophets. High Priests are not sent by God. And Scriptures tell us that corrupt priests who were successors of Levitical priests were destined for removal(cursed).
The doctrine and practice of Apostolic Succession is foreign to the Word of God and is evil.
Fando does not appear to read what I have written to him, and I will not continue on repeating myself and Scriptures to anyone who will/would not heed Scriptures.
Fando: How else can He relay His message except through this chain of succession through the years? Through His Church, the Catholic Church, whose leaders gathered and protected from error the canons of what is today known as Scripture which you are a beneficiary. Since you accept Scripture as the infallible Word of God, you have to acknowledge the authority of the Catholic Church.
D Lim: God chose His ways, and it is written in Scriptures, the Holy Word of God.
Roman Catholics gathered together to persecute Jews, Christians and dissenters. Roman Catholics plotted to blow up the British parliament and help developing Guy Foks Day.
RC Church forbade the reading of Scriptures for centuries.
RC Church forbade translation of the Bible and persecuted translators.
Vatican gave us the Vaticanus Codex B reputed to be full of errors.
Roman Catholics fabricated the lie of the Aramaic only Jesus. (Jn21 agape and phileo rather than one Aramaic/Hebrew ahab)
Roman Catholics fabricated the lie that Kepha must only be Petra. (Ps92v15. Petra and Petros 4074- Mt4v18, Lk6v14, Jn1v42 rather than Kepha meaning Petra)
Substantial portion of RC doctrine and practices are unBiblical/anti-Scripture. So many gates of Hell!
Who wants anti-Scriptures in place of Scriptures, but liars and deceivers?
I acknowledge God and His Will.
I acknowledge Christ Jesus my only Lord (Kurios, Yhwh) and Savior(Soter). He is my Rock and my Fortress. On this Rock(Petra) He builds His Church. And the gates of Hell will not overcome it.
It is well with my soul.
The Word of God came. The Almighty anointed me and commissioned me to build His Church, to preach His glad tidings. Part of this is to pull down evil organisations such as the Roman Catholic Church.
Fando: Without Scripture where will you be?
D Lim: God does exist. The Word of God came. It is wrong to assert an non-existent Will of God, and an non-existent God.
D Lim: Before Scripture there is God, there were Abraham, Enoch and many more. The Word of God came. The righteous shall live by Faith(not by practice, lest anyone would boast).
D Lim: To obey is better than sacrifice and imagination.
To obey God, do His Will, and wait for His guidance this is the portion granted to all mankind; to Abraham, Enoch, and to all who believe God.
Afterall, I had mentioned previously of my prophetic position. God does speck to me at His good timing.
I prophesy that all popes are Divinely outlawed.
D Lim: The Word of God came. Even before Scripture reaching people, there are angels, apostles and prophets, and evil RC Tradition, evil RC personel, evil religious history, evil RC scriptures, apostasies.
Fando: Without Scripture we Catholics will still know the teachings of Jesus Christ handed down by His apostles and their successors from one generation to another and up to this present time and beyond. This is apostolic tradition and apostolic succession.
D Lim: Through Latin and stained glasses, many peasants had imagined good understanding of the message of Christ. They were misled by people of your kind. The Gospel of Salvation, as commissioned by Christ, was not preached to them.
When God came, all is well with my soul. God is good, all the time.
How beautiful is the foot-step of the preachers. The people in darkness have seen marvelous light. Their Savior has come. Whoever will open up, Christ will come in and dine with them.
D Lim: Even before Scripture reaching people, there are angels, apostles and prophets, and evil RC Tradition, evil RC personel, evil religious history, evil RC scriptures, apostasies.
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Jesus: For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother. Matt12v50.
Jesus: For whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is my brother, and my sister, and mother. -Mark3v35. see also Luke8v21.
Only Christ centred.
No Madona worship.
No Papal worship.
No Idol worship.
Fando: In closing, you stated, "I am no follower of any Protestant Reformer" yet you "believe in the commemoration of the Lord's Supper by the symbolic use of the bread and juice of the vine" [Statement of Belief] as taught by Zwingli, a Reformer. You are a sola scriptura believer, an unbiblical, unhistorical doctrine invented by Martin Luther, a Reformer, who founded a man-made religion which you are a distant spin-off or offshoot.
D Lim: Fando claims to be a Catholic(in fact he is just a Roman Catholic). That does not make him a Catholic(Christian of the Holy catholic Church of God). There is clear difference between claiming to be something, and actually falling in line with something.
Co-respondents of Fando have been firing/advertising websites as their argument/evidence. So they ought to read from websites of Truth to discover the remedy to their lies/deceit.
D Lim: The Almighty God found me. I did not find the Reformers. Scholarly, the Reformed Faith is a distinct Denominational doctrine.
Even the devil can quote Scriptures. This is a well-known/accepted fact.
Fando uses the terms "Peace", "Catholic", and "His name", and this does not make him Christian although these terms are found in discussion of Christianity and the word "Peace" is in Scriptures. Having similarity is no proven point of common origin/belonging. Relying on Scriptures would do away assumption.
Fando: Will the real preacher David Lim please stand?
D Lim: Obviously, coming to the Almighty and repent, will do any Roman Catholic good rather than nourishing insults, hating the Truth (which is Christ Jesus our Lord), and living unGodly.
Fando: For the praise and glory of His name,
Fernando Matro
D Lim: Repent all ye evil-doers; and be baptised into Christ.
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Re: Ecclesiastical Acceptance
Brother Hawk - I can honestly say that if you are in God's will, he will give you favor with whom you need favor. . . . I pray that this will bless you. I know that if you have a call on your life, the Lord will work out all of the details. Just continue in him and will work it all out for you, God Bless You.
Bishop Robert A. Crutchfield - I have met very little resistance. I have been accepted for clergy privledges by the Texas Medical Center ( the World's largest) been active in Mission Houston (which includes more than 100 congregations !) and am the first Chaplain-General of the Virtual Order of St. Isidore of Seville. (where I lead chaplains from several denominations including many Anglcians.) In all these capacities I have met with much more acceptance than resisitance. I would worry more about what your actual ministry says, and shows to people than the source of your ordination.
Rev.Mark - The only ones I have had a problem with are the Roman Catholics.
But why should we care what anyone else thinks.Isn't this between us and God?
Rev Msgr Randy Kemp, Ph.D. - I will respond with a question? Why do you need the acceptance? Were the apostles accepted by everyone at the time Christ "ordained" them?
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