Denomination 派別 - Faction 小集團?
Anti-Christ behaviour/tricks (Pt 1) 敵基督行為?
2Timothy2 v19:
v19. Nevertheless, the firm foundation of God stands, having this seal, The Lord knows them that are his: and, Let every one who names the name of the Lord depart from unrighteousness.
D.Lim: Let every one who called on the name of the Lord depart from unrighteousness.
Ask of God and He will give.
Is the hand of God too short to save?
Be Holy. For HaShem God is Holy.
Even the devil and sinners quote scriptures.
Romans3 v23
Ecc7 v20
for all have sinned, and fall short of the glory of God;
Surely there is not a righteous man upon earth, that does good, and does not sin.
D.Lim: Follow Christ(John21v22). He is the Prince of Peace.
Christians ought to be living in the Glory of God, to the Glory of God, and for the Glory of God; rather than falling short of the glory of God. (Gal1 vv8,9)
Phil3 vv13-14:
1John2 v15:
1John2 v17:
1John5 vv2-4:
v13. Brethren, I do not myself consider I have laid hold (already received):
but one thing I do, forgetting the things which are behind, and stretching forward to the things which are before.
v14. I press on toward the goal unto the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.
v15. Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love ot the Father is not in him.
v17. And the world passeth away, and the lust therof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever. -asv
v2. Hereby we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and do His commandments.
v3. For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
v4. For whatsoever is begotten of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that hath overcome the world, even our faith.
D.Lim:
You talk about love - loving God?
This is the identification of Christians loving others even the brethren, that we love God and do His commandments (v2). Keep His commandments (v3).
This is the standard of the love for God (1John5 vv2-4).
Look at Christ! Look towards the Father!
Be Holy/Separate, for He (HaShem, YHWH) is Holy.
Live victorious life. It is possible by the power of the Holy Spirit. We would have been told if it is not so.
Rev. Dr. Roberta (25-12-2000):
I see a religion (Anglecian) that declares that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. So I must, according to the scriptures, accept them as brethren. The beliefs that they have that I think are unscriptural, I must pray about.
When the disciples of Christ saw people casting out demons in the Name of Jesus, they stopped them because they were not in their group, but Jesus told them not to do that. He said "For he who is not against us is on our side." Mark 9:40.
I ask you, in the Name of Jesus to read carefully and pray carefully about your stance, as it is not Christ-like, nor does it edify any of us who you have been subjugated to your belief.
D.Lim:
We know very well that we do not, in general, know who is actually saved by his personal confession. We accept our brethren in good faith; and our faith and trust are strengthened by the fruits of the Spirit they bear. Nevertheless, the existence of the fall away(2Thes 2v3, 2Tim4v10, 1John5v16) and hypocrites(2Tim3v6, 2Pet2vv1-3) and spies(Jude 4) tells us that we simply do not know who for sure is wheat and who is tare.
The parable of the tares and wheats(Matt13) teaches us that we are not to conduct witch-hunt and persecution trying to purge the church. Yet we are to note the destructive elements and actively avoid them(Titus3vv10,11); also teaching others to avoid them(2Thes 3v14, 2John vv9-11). It is not scriptural to just pray for the mistakes/sins/fault of others, and do nothing else, or pretend that all is fine.
This is the instruction of our Lord Jesus through the scriptures.
Leaving is not to let (or letting) live. There should be no addition and impurity to the truth. No adultery. No idolatry. We ought to earnestly contend for the Faith, which was once delivered to the saints. (Jude v3)
Denominationists/Isolationists/Elitists: We need not answer to you.
I am not telling you.
James5 v20:
v20. let him know, that he who converts a sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall cover a multitude of sins.
1John2 v22:
v22. Who is the liar but he that denies that Jesus is the Christ (God's anointed Lord)? This is the antichrist, even he that denies the Father and the Son.
Dr. Jeff Lee:
As adults, our vision is limited by what we can see.
I know at times my spiritual eyesight is only as far as
my nose (which I am glad is much shorter than the
elephants). But, are we also raising up a whole generation
of young people as nearsighted as us?
The Anglican Church is also orginally called the Church of England; not according to scriptures and called the Church/Assembly of God.
Anglican: See, many denominations chose names to represent their distinctive features. There are the Baptist, the Methodist, Calvinist, Congregationalist....
D.Lim:
You do not get right, or right wrong, by wronging right, not doing the right thing, or associating yourselves with wrong, condone wrong, uphold wrong, and keep avoid a change back to the right.
When have I or the Bible declared that they are right?
Anglicans also boast of themselves as following the Apostolic procession, they are Anglo-Catholics. - This is a proof that they follow tradition of men, not scriptures.
Methodists: We have family church, family tradition. We have a heritage to pass down.
God has no grandchildren. All sinners need personal encountering with Christ, personal confession, personal faith/belief and personal love of God; and personal walk with God. Some priests cannot walk it or practice it for others. (Rom3v27; Rom11v18; 2Cor10vv7,8; Eph2v9; Jam4v16.)
Anglican: The times have changed with human history. We have progressed from the Apostolic time.The Church has developed its system of government. We need not stick with every detail of the past.
D.Lim:
Jesus never change. The Bible is sufficient for our living. In fact, the last book closed the Canon. There is no new addition into the body of the Word. The book of Revelation even tells us what is yet to come. We have not progressed beyond scriptures. We have not progressed beyond the end time.
Christians ought not build on moving foundations.
Also, what was once delivered to the saints have proved to be entirely sufficient. We have the Church of God in local districts practicing the decrees of scriptures, showing that what was delivered is indeed and still practical, beneficial and modern.
There is nothing out-of-date (Lk6v48, 1Cor3v11, Eph2v20, Rev21v14.)
Denominationists: Ha ha . . Ha.
A . Ai . ya.
Certain truths cannot be laughed off, or ignored for ever. They just do not disappear by our wishes.
The priest(vicar, rector, bishop) wears the priestly robe, signifying "sacrificial ceremony" "vacarious sacrifice". crucifying Christ at each mass, service and holy communion.
Evangelical Anglican leaders/priests wear the same robe. They are ordained by the organisation as priests (such as vicars), rather than just ministers of Christ. How can they refuse the title and yet wear the same robes/symbols? Doing one thing and not the other?
Evangelical Anglicans follow the same leaders, and tell others that this does not matter.
Other Anglicans see that the Anglican tradition, system is kept, sacrifical ceremony kept.
The mass is tripped, snared, and misled. In the name of traditon? Harmony?
Some do not even confess seeing anything wrong with that. (James4v17)
Anglican: It is handed down from our tradition that we/ministers wear robes.
D.Lim: This is exactly the demonstration that the Anglican Church rest its code of practice on history and tradition apart from the scriptures.
None of the NT apostles and elders practiced that.
And your leaders also cover their heads in their ceremonial gowns, and your church also has allowed women to be priests, and in robes as well. What does Paul teach about women? (1Cor11 vv3-15, 1Cor14 vv34-40)
There were times that the evangelical wing of the Anglican Church declared that they will leave this denomination if such and such are approved, for example: women leadership(1Cor14 vv34-40).
Well, there are now women, and the same evangelical Anglicans. Who admits hypocrisy? Who owns up to dishonesty?
Baptists, Methodist: We do not believe in or practice head-covering anymore.
Liberal: Paul is a sexist. We need to look at what Christ has taught.
D.Lim: 2Tim3v16; Gal1 vv8,9.
The Anglican Church is a State Church. The churches in the NT are local churches, house churches. And in the OT till now there is no State Religion of the Almighty outside Israel. Anglicans are not Israelites by birthright. Neither do they keep the OT. Eclecticism; Partiality is obvious.
It is written into Anglican confession of faith, the 39 articles, that the head of the State is the head of the Church.
Would the anti-Protestant Queen Ann be the Head?
Would liberal Prince Charles be the Head?
The UK has Constitutional Monarchy. The true holder of ruling power is the Parliament.
Would the British Parliament be the head of the Church? Not so. Not as stated in the 39 articles. And not in practice.
The Constitutional Monarch is a figure head. The State Church entertains figure heads? And not the actual ruling power?
Would figure heads be the Head? Of a Figure Church?
All for the sake of a name? a shadow practice? a deception? some ceremony?
I know the Word of God is not a bunch of deception and ceremony. It is for our edification.
Christians are to follow God in substance (eg: the Royal Commandment), and not just in notion or by name.
Anglicans: Your Denominations do just the same.
D.Lim: I do not have a Denomination, to start with.
You do not purified yourselves by the sins of others.
You do not right wrong with wrong.
Anglican: If this is good enough for John Stott, it is good enough for me.
Evangelical: If this is good enough for Billy Graham, it is good enough for me.
Methodist: If this is good enough for Charles Wesley, it is good enough for me.
D.Lim: Why not follow Christ?
Why not follow God instead of idolatry, worshipping men and extra-biblical systems? The Father loves you.
Anything short of God is not good enough for me.
Anglicans used the Common Prayer Book and the Alternative Service Book to govern worship, including bible reading and sermons for all week and seasons.
This is a practice to cut up scriptures discarding/forgetting the parts that somebody do not like, just keeping the favourite parts.(Jer36vv23,24)
The congregations are under delusion that they do know the Bible and know it well(some boast of their fluency with the repeated stories they have been hearing since time immemorial), to the effect of not able to sustain they trust in God and daily living, such as the passing away of their loved ones, or teaching their children with the Bible daily, with scriptures.
What the denomination is doing for you is destroying you before, now and later.
Devil: You being so little cannot change age old traditions.
People have always done it this way.
It has been practical, practicable.
Denominationists: We have always done it this way.
We need not pay any attention to you.
This is your problem, we do not understand you. We will leave it here! We are leaving it at that!
D.Lim: In Christ I can do everything.
By Grace are we saved through Faith; not of our works, lest anyone should boast on self-sufficiency.
Gal Ch1 vv8,9
Denominationist: Oh dear! Someone is attacking my Denomination. I have to leave you people. I am not joining you.
D.Lim: Negativism. No will to find out the truth or to reform oneself for God and for the Kingdom, according to scriptures.
Roman Catholic: The Catholic Church has a long history, almost 17 centuries. the Evangelicals have only 200 years of history. They do not understand us.
D.Lim: Roman Catholics are not Catholics. They are as the name indicates - a Roman organisation; having their original from Rome.
By the same token, Judaism has thousands years longer than the Roman Catholics. So they can not be understood by the Roman Catholics. Is that right?
So the Buddhists cannot be understood by the Romanists as well. And why don't they admit superiority of these religions then?
And you, being less than 60 years of age, can not possibly understand the Evangelical faith and the Biblical faith which are much much older, can you? How long and how much more do you want to pretend you have some validity?
This sentiment also goes to prove that these Roman Catholics do not base their faith and practice on scriptures in the first place, but seek justification from some other sources, such as personal sentiment, invention, tradition, church authority, history as told/taught, and so on... very unscriptural!
What are you talking about? Christian ought to love and follow the example of Christ, instead of arguing, causing dissention.
D.Lim: Why not wait till you understand others before imposing your own rule?
Follow Christ and scriptures does require a Christian to be Godward, trusting on scriptures as sole reference and law to life, and keep oneself and the assemblies from evil, unrighteousness, sin, ungodly things, organisations and practices. Even Christ and Paul set us example of arguing/reasoning with the multitude regardless of their educational background.
Roman Catholics: The Catholic Church is the custodian, the holder of the truth having her source from Peter who is the head of the Church. The Church gives the world the Bible, the reference Protestants based their faith on, although not seeing and submitting to the decree of the government of the Church.
D.Lim: Scriptures are The Word of God. The Roman Church is not.
The Roman Catholic Church destroyed many manuscripts right at the beginning of inception of the Roman Catholic Church.
It burned bibles. It took the right of reading and studying the Bible from the majority. It twisted interpretation. It locked up manuscripts from access of scholars. And manuscripts are also kept and passed down via the Orthodox churches, the Syriac Church, the Indian Christian Church found by the Apostle Thomas.
Christ is the Rock, the foundation of the Church.
Simon Peter is the stone/Petros/Peter of the Church. Even the first Jerusalem Church was run by the 12 Apostles. Peter did not speak for the Jerusalem Church all the time ( Very much unlike Catholic Popes ).
Liber Pastor: You are Crazy!
D.Lim: Is that how you show love and prove your righteousness?
How is sanity with you when you were kicked out of the biblical evangelical congregation?
Denominationist: We are not communicating with you, outsider.
No comment concerning co-operation with you. You are not permitted to use what is held by us.
No Comment!
D.Lim: Such is the love of Closed Doors.
Somebodies' there, though not answering.
Unilateralism.
F Till: There is no merit to arguments that the adherents of any religion could use to prove that their religion is the truth. Are you ever going to learn that?
D.Lim: By the same token, who can prove anything mathematical by using things/elements that are not mathematical or numerical?
Can a sum or a problem with its solution be proved/shown to be right without the use of numbers, arithmatic or mathematics?
Can Science be proved right and acceptable without the use of anything that is scientific? No numbers, no counting, no mathematics, and no observation?
When is Science not going round circles in this manner?
This is like asking fishes to swim in vacuum to prove that they swim in water and are fishes. First they do not need to listen to you or follow your ideas; secondly, swimming is not something related to vacuum; and swimming in water has no relationship with whether something can swim in vacuum.
Religion are to be proved with/by religion. This is just fundamental.
And according to the Holy Bible, Denominations and Denominationisms are condemned.
I, Rev. David C S Lim, 林志誠 牧師, can be reached by internet 也在互聯网﹕
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在天上和地下只有耶穌基督的救恩是唯一使人的罪得赦及與神和好的途徑。