Ex 20vv8-11: Establishing the 10 Commandments

20:8 ·í°O©À¦w®§¤é, ¦u¬°¸t¤é.

Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.

20:9 ¤»¤é­n³Ò¸L§@§A¤@¤Áªº¤u.

Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:

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But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:

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For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Lev 26v2:

26:2 §A­Ì­n¦u§Úªº¦w®§¤é, ·q§Úªº¸t©Ò. §Ú¬O­C©MµØ.

Ye shall keep my sabbaths, and reverence my sanctuary: I am the LORD.

Deut 5vv12-14: Repeating Ex 20vv8-11

5:12 ·í·Ó­C©MµØ§A¯«©Ò§h©Jªº¦u¦w®§¤é¬°¸t¤é.

Keep the sabbath day to sanctify it, as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee.

5:13 ¤»¤é­n³Ò¸L§@§A¤@¤Áªº¤u,

Six days thou shalt labour, and do all thy work:

5:14 ¦ý²Ä¤C¤é¬O¦V­C©MµØ§A¯«·í¦uªº¦w®§¤é. (.³o¤@¤é.), §A©M§Aªº¨à¤k, ¹²±A, ¤û, Æj, ¬¹¯b, ¨Ã¦b§A«°¸Ì±H©~ªº«È®È, µL½×¦ó¤u³£¤£¥i§@, ¨Ï§Aªº¹²±A¥i¥H©M§A¤@¼Ë¦w®§.

But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, nor thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thine ox, nor thine ass, nor any of thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates; that thy manservant and thy maidservant may rest as well as thou.

the works of God".

While I agree that all days are suitable for good

works I must say that works are not the issue. In fact

"rest" is the issue. The issue is only about following

the 4th commandment by resting on the 7th day, because

it alone was made holy.

D.Lim: People rested immediately after the crucifixion of Christ. And it was Passover and a weekday. A day can be holy and made a Sabbath.

Exodus 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it

holy.

9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:

10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD

thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor

thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy

maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is

within thy gates:

11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth,

the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the

seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath

day, and hallowed it.

D.Lim: Which days have the Bible, the Word of God, designated as holy?

Many. Purim, Passover, Pentecost, feast of booths ..

The issue is not only about following the 4^th commandment; for some Sabbatarians also elected to worship the Lord on the 1^st day of the week as well.

There is nothing wrong worshipping on the 7^th day of the week if people could honestly make it.

We are to be merciful towards those who honestly could not.

It is Sabbath for men, and not men for Sabbath.

The insistence for rest on Sabbath does not bear much fruit.

was set aside as holy. I have never found a text that

says that every day is holy. In fact the Bible has

something to say about not recognizing the difference

that God has placed on things that are holy and things

that are not...

D.Lim: Things/days that are not holy? Which day of the week is profane?

Which day of the week is not suitable to be with the Lord, and worship God?

The feast of booth so happen to fall on all the days of the week; and the solemn assemby, the feast of trumphet is not on the 7^th day of the week. Worship is commanded for the solemn assembly and the horn blowing required on a week day.

God is worshipped continuously by angels and saints. Everyday is suitable for worshipping the holy God. The days are therefore sanctified by the presence of God.

have profaned mine holy things: they have put no

difference between the holy and profane, neither have

they shewed difference between the unclean and the

clean, and have hid their eyes from my sabbaths, and I

am profaned among them.

D.Lim: Things are not days.

Anything can be profaned or sanctified. Otherwise there is no way to regain what is profaned.

that Daniel wrote which warned us about the changes in

God's law that the Beast would attempt to make...

D.Lim: I can do all things in Christ.

About changing nature of days, the Jews have established Purim.

most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most

High, and think to change times and laws: and they

shall be given into his hand until a time and times

and the dividing of time.

D.Lim: I do not accept Good Friday, which is a Roman Catholic custom. Do you?

the great protestant reformers. Has the Catholic

church made any claims to have changed God's law?

Let's look at some clear statements of their own...

D.Lim: The Roman Catholic church.

Catholic authorities who express clearly the claims of

the papacy about the attempted change. From the

Catholic Encyclopedia, Volume IV, p. 153: "The Church

... after changing the day of rest from the Jewish

Sabbath, or seventh day of the week, to the first,

made the third commandment refer to Sunday as the day

to be kept holy as the Lord's day."

D.Lim: I have not read through these documents. So I just comment on them at face value:

The RC church may have changed the day, but I have not.

It is perfectly sensible to worship God everyday.

Now, the third or the forth?

edition, by Rev. Leo. J. Trese and John J. Castlelot,

S.S. describes it in these words: "Nothing is said in

the Bible about the change of the Lord's day from

Saturday to Sunday. We know of the change only from

the tradition of the Church - a fact handed down to us

from earliest times by the living voice of the Church.

That is why we find so illogical the attitude of many

non-Catholics, who say that they will believe nothing

unless they can find it in the Bible and yet will

continue to keep Sunday as the Lord's day on the

say-so of the Catholic Church."

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All Christians are Catholics, belonging to the universal church. RCs are not.

To hint at them as non-Catholics is not short of cursing the people of God.

In the Bible (Act20) Christians met together on the 1^st day.

explanation of the change: "The Catholic Church

transferred the observance from the seventh to the

first day of the week. ... The Catholic Church deemed

it more fitting to appoint this day, rather than

Saturday, the festival day of Christians." This Is

Catholicism, 1959 edition, John Walsh, S. J., p. 325.

D.Lim: RCs may have transferred that. I am no RC, neither am I a supporter of RCs.

What is wrong with the 1^st day if RCs wanted to make it their festival day? But they have no right to decide that for Christians.

in Christ - Instructions in the Catholic Faith

explained it thus: "Why did the Church change the

Lord's day from the Sabbath to Sunday? The Church,

using the power of binding and loosing which Christ

gave to the Pope, changed the Lord's day to Sunday."

Page 243.

No Christian power is given to any RC Pope.

to say: "Question - Have you any other way of proving

that the Church has power to institute festivals of

precept? Answer - Had she not such power, she could

not have done that in which all modern religionists

agree with her; she could not have substituted the

observance of Sunday, the first day of the week, for

the observance of Saturday, the seventh day, a change

for which there is no scriptural authority." Please

note the word "substituted," a term we have used over

and over to describe the activities of this power.

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D.Lim: Taking the idea that one day in a week is for rest, the Christian week has one day for rest.

Taking a rest on Sabbath has not brought people out of the OT law. They have not felt or observed the NT law at that practice. Looking forward to a better rest is not taking hold of that rest.

179, makes this startling admission: "If the Bible is

the only guide for the Christian, then the Seventh-day

Adventist is right in observing the Saturday with the

Jew. ... Is it not strange that those who make the

Bible their only teacher, should inconsistently follow

in this matter the tradition of the Catholic Church?"

D.Lim: Book after book the debater may prove that the writers have problems. This act does not prove the position of the Bible by the understanding some, possibly unregenerated, souls.

Christians worship daily, fellowship daily, as they break bread together daily.

Christians are not supposed to be 1 in 7 day Christians.

Are they missing out by just trying to follow the 10 commandments?

Have they not missed out in the words of Christ?

Catholic Faith, p. 13, 1955 edition, states: "The

Bible does not contain all the teachings of the

Catholic religion, nor does it formulate all the

duties of its members. Take, for instance, the matter

of Sunday observance, attendance at divine service,

and abstention from unnecessary servile work on that

day. This is a matter upon which our Protestant

neighbors have for many years laid great emphasis; yet

nowhere in the Bible is the Sunday designated as the

Lord's day; the day mentioned is the Sabbath, the last

day of the week. The early Church, conscious of her

authority to teach in the name of Christ, deliberately

changed the day to Sunday."

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In the NT Christians do not just come together on the 7^th day. Paul at times taught daily.

Some famous Christian preachers (ie: John Wesley) also preached daily.

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of Protestantism is contained in a statement by Father

Enright, President of Redemptorist College in America:

"It was the Holy Catholic Church that changed the day

of rest from Saturday to Sunday, the first day of the

week. And it not only compelled all to keep Sunday,

but urged all persons to labor on the seventh day

under pain of anathema. Protestants ... profess great

reverence for the Bible, and yet by their solemn act

of keeping Sunday, they acknowledge the power of the

Catholic Church. The Bible says, ÔRemember the Sabbath

day to keep it holy.' But the Catholic Church says,

ÔNO: Keep the first day of the week' and lo, the

entire civilized world bows down in reverent obedience

to the command of the holy Catholic Church."

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D.Lim: This so called Holy Catholic church compelled all to do things, even under pain of anathema.

Lo, Messianic Jews keep Sabbath deligently. Christians do not bend to unChristian practices all the time.

obey? Listen to these words by C. F. Thomas,

Chancellor of Cardinal Gibbons, in answer to a letter

regarding the change of the Sabbath: "Of course the

Catholic Church claims that the change was her act.

And the act is a mark of her ecclesiastical power and

authority in religious matters." Thus the issues

become plain - God says that He is the true God: He

has given the Sabbath as a seal of His authority as

the Creator of all. By keeping the Sabbath we

recognize His authority as the true God. But the

Catholic Church appears and says in effect, "No, don't

keep the Sabbath; keep the first day of the week. We

changed it, and that change is a mark of our power to

overrule God's law and authority."

D.Lim: Christians do not just obey God. Christians are given Divine rights and lordship to do many good things/works. This is not a matter of gaining salvation. Its done for Christians/confessed believers. This is a matter of being like Christ and working for the Kingdom of God.

D.Lim: By all means, keep Sabbath, worship and rest. But worship the Son of Man who is Lord of Sabbath.

RCs sin very often. RCs have established Good Friday as well.

Do not obey the RC church. Take a rest on Sabbath if possible.

by which the beast power is trying to be recognized as

an authority greater than the Creator Himself. The

sign, or seal, of God's authority (Sabbath) is

displaced by the papal institution of a substitute

mark (Sunday) which she claims as her authority. Oh,

that the world would see clearly the tremendous issue

before us today! To whom will we yield our obedience -

to God or to the beast? When we understand the issues

we must make a tremendous decision either to keep the

true Sabbath and recognize God's authority, or to take

the false Sabbath and recognize the Catholic Church's

claims. We must finally receive the seal of God or the

mark of the beast. There are only two sides - God and

the dragon, truth and error, Bible and tradition.

D.Lim: I do not like RC tradition or approve of them. There is the Christian tradition apart from RC tradition.

Millions and currently available from the Catholic

Book Store as a textbook on the Catholic religion has

this interesting statement on page 473: "But since

Saturday, not Sunday, is specified in the Bible, isn't

it curious that non-Catholics who profess to take

their religion directly from the Bible and not from

the Church, observe Sunday instead of Saturday? Yes,

of course it is inconsistent; but this change was made

about fifteen centuries before Protestantism was born,

and by that time the custom was universally observed.

They have continued the custom, even though it rests

upon the authority of the Catholic Church and not upon

an explicit text in the Bible. That observance remains

as a reminder of the Mother Church from which the

non-Catholic sects broke away - like a boy running

away from home, but still carrying in his pocket a

picture of his mother or a lock of her hair."

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D.Lim: Christians know that they are divinely given the right to lord over Sabbaths. Christians choose to do good on Saturdays and Sundays. Christians choose to remember and worship Christ. Christians choose to witness to the World Christ risen on Sundays.

If Sundays being the first day of the week and most prominent, then, it is fitting to worship the Lord Jesus and hold Him esteemed on the 1^st day.

Also this signifies the resurrection and the beginning of the NT. Very meaningful day and event. It is not just about resting. It is not just about Jewish OT customs.

RCs may say anything and lie in any direction.

Heretics may choose to uphold RCs and call them Catholics.

Such acts do not change the reality.

every individual on the Sabbath question: "Reason and

sense demand the acceptance of one or the other of

these alternatives: either Protestantism and the

keeping holy of Saturday, or Catholicity and the

keeping holy of Sunday. Compromise is impossible."

Catholic Mirror, December 23, 1893.

D.Lim: My choice and understanding is not limited by some un-Biblical authority or personnel.

Sadly, due to human weakness, compromise has been the lifestyle of many.

Perhaps you are wondering what the Protestant bodies

think of these things we have been considering. They

will speak for themselves. Here are some candid

admissions of those churches upon the Sabbath

question. All statements are taken from the most

authoritative spokesmen. Here is a quotation from Dr.

Edward T. Hiscox, the author of the Baptist Manual:

"There was and is a commandment to keep holy the

Sabbath day, but that Sabbath day was not Sunday. It

will be said, however, and with some show of triumph,

that the Sabbath was transferred from the seventh to

the first day of the week. ... Where can the record of

such a transaction be found? Not in the New Testament

- absolutely not. ... Of course, I quite well know

that Sunday did come into use in early Christian

history as a religious day, as we learn from the

Christian Fathers, and other sources. But what a pity

that it comes branded with the mark of paganism, and

christened with the name of the sun-god, when adopted

and sanctioned by the papal apostasy, and bequeathed

as a sacred legacy to Protestantism!" (From a paper

read before a New York ministers' conference held

November 13, 1893.) This great Baptist leader

condenses into a few sentences all that has been said

in the pages of this booklet.

D.Lim: Baptists in general do not know that Ana-Baptists did not and do not all immerse believers for water baptism. Baptists in general do not know that even early Baptists did not all immerse believers. So little facts they know of!

have tried to build the observance of Sunday upon

apostolic command, whereas the apostles gave no

command on the matter at all. ... The truth is, as

soon as we appeal to the litera scripta (the literal

writing) of the Bible, the Sabbatarians have the best

of the arguments." Ed. April 19, 1883. The Methodist

Theological Compendium states: "It is true that there

is no positive command for infant baptism ... nor is

there any for keeping holy the first day of the week."

D.Lim: Even if there is one good argument, it does not make a believer or a group right by that one argument, while failing others.

Commandments, pp. 106, 107, says: "It is quite clear

that however rigidly or devotedly we may spend Sunday,

we are not keeping the Sabbath. The Sabbath was

founded on a specific, divine command. We can plead no

such command for the observance of Sunday. ... There

is not a single line in the New Testament to suggest

that we incur any penalty by violating the supposed

sanctity of Sunday."

D.Lim: Yet these Congregationalists keep Sundays and not Saturdays. It seems that they are likely to be one day Christians.

Yet, we exercise forgiveness and mercy. Mercy is called for in regard to festivals and sabbath. This is following the Word of God.

But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless.

Luke 6vv1-5:

Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

Confession of Faith, states: "The observance of the

Lord's day (Sunday) is founded not on any command of

God, but on the authority of the church." Episcopalian

spokesman Neander writes in the History of the

Christian Religion and Church, p. 186: "The festival

of Sunday, like all other festivals, was always only a

human ordinance, and it was far from the intentions of

the apostles to establish a divine command in this

respect, far from them and from the early apostolic

church to transfer the laws of the Sabbath to Sunday."

D.Lim: I consider Luther confused; and lack Bible studies + readings.

Possible that Luther was not quite honest then.

read: "We ought to remember that the Sabbath is God's

gift to man. We realize, of course, that our Sabbath

is not the same as that observed by the Jews. Theirs

was the seventh day of week, while ours is the first.

The reason we observe the first day instead of the

seventh is based on no positive command. One will

search the Scriptures in vain for authority for

changing from the seventh day to the first. The early

Christians began to worship on the first day of the

week because Jesus rose from the dead on that day. By

and by, this day of worship was made also a day of

rest, a legal holiday. This took place in the year

321. Our Christian Sabbath, therefore, is not a matter

of positive command." Page 61.

D.Lim: Everyday is a gift. For those who rest on Sundays, they have one day for rest. For those who rest of Saturdays, do they rest of Sundays as well?

How many days do you make use to do good? I use them all.

His law, should we then make excuses for why we choose

to follow it instead of His clear comandment?

D.Lim: Question from assumed conclusion as the conclusion. A deviation observed.

has stated...

D.Lim: Really? Logical? What was stated? Cannot even publish the text one deals with!

the option of deciding which day to keep.

Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

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which occurred on that day in creation week. We cannot

keep holy a day which God has not made holy. We cannot

receive blessing from a day which God has not blessed.

But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless.

Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

attached to Sunday is in the traditions of men.

D.Lim: Read Acts 2v46, Acts 20.

made the commandment of God of none effect by your

doctrines the commandments of men.?Matthew 15:3, 6,

9.

Exodus chapter 16 records an experience which God gave

law, or no.?(verse 4). For forty years the schedule

of the fall of the manna distinguished the Sabbath

from all other days.

But some people tried to treat the Sabbath just like

any other day. And some tried to treat other days like

to keep my commandments and my laws??(verse 28).

cannot be fulfilled by worshipping on a day contrary

to that which the commandment specifies.

IT MATTERS

Two trees in the midst of the garden Grew in the very

same way. But it mattered which tree Eve partook of,

And the difference is still felt today.

tragically reasoned within.

should be moved, But ignored the crucial specifics As

the death of Uzzah proved.

have returned to his home still sick.

He has asked us to.

suit what others might say.

That people regard far too lightly And make

alterations at whim.

not discern it, Are safe only in following each word.

worship, the Bible would say something about it! If

Sunday was to be given special recognition, we should

be able to find some mention of it in Scripture.

the week.?There are only eight of them.

the first day of the week that the two Marys went to

the sepulchre. It says nothing about Sunday

sacredness. It shows that Sabbath is the day that

comes before Sunday.

mention of Sunday sacredness.

Mark 16:9 - Here we are told that Jesus arose on the

first day of the week, but nothing is said about it

becoming the special day of worship.

is said about a change in the fourth commandment.

D.Lim: They rested and observed Sabbaths. But when did she find time to prepare spices? Saturday after sunset? Hard to buy things then.

the disciples. Why had they assembled together? The

is said about any special sacredness attached to the

day.

D.Lim: Nothing is said about other days such as the previous Sabbaths. Most likely that they gathered together for the same reason ¡V fear of the Jews.

institution in honor of the resurrection is baptism

(See Romans 6). No other memorial of that event is

anywhere authorized in Scripture.

D.Lim: The NT does not support Gentile Christians observing OT as Jews.

break bread,?which, according to Acts 2:46, early

morrow.?This is the only recorded instance of a

formal religious service ever held on the first day of

the week. No one would suggest that the conducting of

a single service on that day would constitute

sufficient support for the Sunday-keeping argument.

Especially since in Corinth alone there is record of

year and six months?(Acts 18:4,11).

D.Lim: Who is this ¡§NO ONE¡¨? Why not? Importance and significance is not measured by frequency of record. Christ died once. Important? Christ said ¡§It is finished¡¨ once. Important? Jn3v16 occurred once. Important and clear?

even here nothing is said about a Sunday morning

meeting. It was on the first day of the week, but it

was during the dark part of that day (Read the whole

context). The Bible reckons days from sunset to

sunset, not from midnight to midnight, as is done

today (Genesis 1:5, 8, etc.). This meeting was held on

Saturday night!

D.Lim: How close is a close look? Not necessarily exhaustive. Yet pretending to be such.

It is not just a matter of meeting in the morning. It is about getting together for the Kingdom¡¦s business. Something modern Christians do not usually do. Not a 1 or 2 hour Christian. But daily being Christian.

Walking with God and the saints is not a matter of 1 or 2 hours.

Christ made no critism concerning the Sadducees¡¦ timing of midnight to midnight.

It has been easier for people to gather together after work(during sunny and hot hours). But the meeting went on to the day time, when people were supposed to have to go to work.

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all . . . shall see my face no more?(verse 25).

Considering the occasion, we realize the weakness of

any attempt to use this passage as a case for the

day is the Sabbath of the Lord thy God.?Exodus 20:10.

D.Lim: No abolition of God¡¦s command. It was right to meet on the 1^st day, just as it was right to meet on the day after that. Every day is good for good works and rest in the Lord.

Unlike modern men who make excuses of work and scatter around/about at least 6 days of a week.

journey on foot to Assos, obviously displaying no

respect for the day.

D.Lim: To do good works is the respect God called for. A day of rest is not interpreted by David and Christ to be a day that no work must be done.

And do Sabbatarians abstain from all work on the Sabbaths? Cooking? Travelling? Washing? . . .

Also, do Sabbatarians observe food laws and prayer laws?

Breaking one is breaking all.

religious service or gathering of any kind. It

certainly says nothing about the veneration of Sunday

as a holy day. According to this text, the first day

of the week is the day to take care of personal

financial matters. At the beginning of each week the

contribution, systematically planning his giving and

involves a calculation of earnings. If God had

transferred the solemnity of the Sabbath to the first

day of the week, Paul would not have recommended such

activity to be done on that day.

Offerings are collected on the 7^th day as well. Calculation? Work? Logic fraud.

I have not said that God had transferred the solemnity of the 7^th day to the first. Otherwise only certain day will be holy.

I never give Roman Catholics any authority to rule over the truth or to speak for the truth. It is a spiritual crime to voice out so much for Roman Catholics as if they represent me or us Christians.

first day of the week! And, as you can see, there is

not even a hint of a change in worship from Sabbath to

Sunday. Such a change cannot be found in the

3:6. Paul and the Sabbath

D.Lim: Examination without Scriptures, verses laid out in front of the readers.

Fellowship is not restricted to Sabbaths. Good works such as teaching the people is not for Sabbath only, and is not to be in synagogues or in the Temple only.

Christians worship and meet together in the Temple court when they could not gain access to the Temple. Gentiles certainly were not allowed to enter.

passages, Romans 14:5, 6, and Colossians 2:16, 17, to

support this assertion.

D.Lim: Certainly not me. Yet bashings came about.

minute. If Paul had advocated the abandonment of the

seventh-day Sabbath, we could expect to find much

small dissension and disputation?(Acts 15:2) was

raised over the issue of circumcision. Where is there

any evidence of a controversy over the Sabbath? There

is none.

D.Lim: Logic fraud. No intense debate is necessary.

Paul, the Jews could not even come up with anything

that they could prove against him! (Read Acts 21:33,

34; Acts 24:5, 6, 12, 13; Acts 25:7, 18, 19, 25, 27.)

If Paul had broken the Sabbath, a crime worthy of

death (Exodus 31:14, 15; 35:2; Numbers 15:32-36), the

Jews certainly would have capitalized on it.

D.Lim: Paul being a Jew observed the Old Covenant as well. Timothy being half Jew did not observe all of the Old Covenant in the beginning.

Jesus taught of breaking the Sabbaths for good(healing, and disciples preparing food), and the Jews could not press charge on that.

is the standard by which we will be judged (Romans

2:12), that it is the doers of the law who shall be

justified (Romans 2:13), that to break the law is to

dishonor God (Romans 2:23), and that the law is holy,

forbid: yea, we establish the law.?In Acts 21:24

James and the elders in Jerusalem affirmed to Paul,

the temple, nor yet against Caesar, have I offended

any thing at all.?Acts 25:8. (See also Acts 25:10;

Acts 26:22; Acts 28:17.)

D.Lim: Yes, the Law; and not just the 10 commandments. The Word shall judge. The Lamb may open the scroll. And what did Christ Jesus say?

cited?

Romans 14:5, 6

D.Lim: So important are the passages that they are not given here!

Everyone lords over the days and give account to the Lord according to their conscience.

I never said it is wrong to observe Sabbaths. Neither have I said that it is wrong to rest on the 7^th day.

careful reading of the context reveals that the

discussion has to do with eating versus fasting. The

fourth commandment says nothing about eating or

fasting. This is a totally different issue.

D.Lim: The 4^th commandment did not expressly mention many things. Yet they were recognised as laws to keep, action such as the number of steps one is allowed to take on the Sabbath. What food one is allowed to prepare and eat. The spirit of the law is not just the few words stated.

The discussion is also about treating the days as holy and do things to direct ones heart to God.

Rm14v5 is regarding the importance of certain day for action towards God. Very relevant to which day is holy enough for action.

Pharisees fast.?Mark 2:18. The Pharisee in Luke 18:12

fasted twice a week. An ancient Jewish treatise on

time regularly fasted on the second and fifth days of

the week, that is, Monday and Thursday. The Didache,

written later, warns Christians not to fast with the

hypocrites on the second and fifth days of the week,

but rather on the fourth and sixth days (Didache 8:1).

D.Lim: More and more laws and rules to show that certain days are esteemed for religious activities.

another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be

fully persuaded in his own mind.?Notice carefully

time regularly fasted on the second and fifth days of

the week, that is, Monday and Thursday. The Didache,

written later, warns Christians not to fast with the

hypocrites on the second and fifth days of the week,

but rather on the fourth and sixth days (Didache 8:1).)

not addressing the issue of the Sabbath at all.

Colossians 2:16, 17

regarding holy days and sabbath days. The assertion

has been made that here Paul was saying that the

fourth commandment is no longer binding for

Christians. A closer look, however, reveals that in

this text Paul makes no reference to the seventh-day

Sabbath.

D.Lim: It is not clear. It is thought of as ¡§CLEAR¡¨ by some.

In the whole NT, there is no record that Gentile Christians observe Sabbath (7^th day). No record that they went to Jewish Synagogues to worship with the Jews. No document show that they were accepted that way. The Synagogues were for Judaism and not for Christianity. Christ was rejected in Synagogues. Christ is still rejected in modern Jewish Synagogues of Judaism.

things to come; but the body is Christ.?

D.Lim: Strive to keep Sabbath. But strive even harder to gain Christ, every moment, every day.

sin.

D.Lim: No such connection.

problem of sin. The seventh-day weekly Sabbath does

not fit that category. Having been instituted before

man ever sinned (compare Genesis 2 with Genesis 3), it

has no inherent connection to the salvation process.

was established as a memorial to the Creator whose

law, and being completely unrelated to ceremonial

shadows, the seventh-day weekly Sabbath could not be

what Paul was talking about.

D.Lim: The whole Bible is one picture. No valid dispensationism. The number and word 7 is used throughout God¡¦s plan.

Note that this argument of dispensationism also excludes the given 10 commandments which came much later than the initial fall of Adam and Eve.

Yes, Leviticus chapter 23 mentions seven annual

ceremonial sabbaths. Being tied to particular dates,

these sabbaths occurred on different days of the week

each year.

D.Lim: Wrong. Just the feast of booths is already 7 days, and the passover spans 7 days as well. Later, Purim spans some more days.

23:13, 18, 37) were to be presented in connection with

meat, or in drink?in Colossians 3:16.

D.Lim: Not so for the feast of booths and passover. And Purim involves gifts of other nature.

listed in Leviticus 23 are accompanied by the words,

of Atonement. This was the most solemn and most

significant of all the annual sabbaths. On it they

that same day, that same soul will I destroy from

among his people.?Verse 30.

D.Lim: Christ has clarified this misconception. The day of rest is for men and for doing good. Doing good includes good works which is more than rest.

Christ said ¡§ It is finished¡¨ and offered Himself as atonement on Wednesday. Work or no work?

The believers buried Him. Work or no work?

The Romans crucified Him. Work or no work?

The Jews incited hatred and brought Christ to the Romans. Work or no work?

Atonement eternal was effected. Work or no work?

closing work in the sanctuary in heaven. (See lessons

ministry.)

D.Lim: Coming to a discussion or debate with direction for lessons is an insult.

The debater has yet to prove a point, and throw in lessons.

Who is to be taught with assertion?

the Lord, which ye shall proclaim . . . beside the

sabbaths of the Lord.?Leviticus 23:37, 38. That

to come,?there was no misunderstanding.

Ancient Ceremonial Sabbath days

Occasion Date Leviticus 23

(1st day of Feast (15th day of (Verses

of Unleavened the first month) 5,6,7,11)

Bread)

D.Lim: Lev23v7- no work on that first day.

V15 let us know that this 1^st day is also the Sabbath.

(7th day of Feast (21st day of (Verse 8)

of Unleavened the first month)

Bread)

(Pentecost) (50th day from (Verses

morrow after 15th 15,16,21)

of the first month)

(Blowing of (1st day of (Verses

Trumpets) the seventh month) 24, 25)

D.Lim: How many days are there in a month? 30. So 1^st day of the 7^th month is not necessarily the 7^th day of the week. Rest or work? Holy or not?

The argument surfaces everywhere and repeats itself.

(Day of (10th day of (Verses

Atonement) the seventh month) 27-32)

(Feast of (15th day of (Verses

Tabernacles) the seventh month) 34,25,39)

(8th day of (22nd day of the (Verses

Feast of seventh month) 36, 39)

Tabernacles)

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Jesus?Experience...Crucified as Lamb of God

Calendar Date.......14th Day of the First Month

Ceremonial Day......The Passover

Day of the Week.....Preparation Day

Related Texts.......Ex. 12:21-28, John 1:29, 1Cor 5:7

Jesus' Experience...Rested in the Grave

D.Lim: Resting in the grave for 3 days rather than on one Sabbath only.

Christ rested on the preceeding Friday and Thursday as well. Holy days or not?

Calendar Date.......15th Day of First Month

Ceremonial Day......(First Day of Feast of

....................Unleavened Bread)

Day of the Week.....Double Sabbath, (High Day)

Related Texts.......Num. 28:17, 18; John 19:31

D.Lim: Double Sabbath? Double 7^th days in 7 days? The writer discreetly sailed through difficulties/challenges.

Jesus' Experience...Raised as the First Fruits

Calendar Date.......16th Day of First Month

Ceremonial Day......Wave Sheaf Offering of

....................First Fruits of Harvest

Day of the Week.....First Day of the Week

Related Texts.......Lev. 23:10, 11;1; Cor. 15:22, 23

....................Luke 24:1-3

D.Lim: Is the First Fruits holy or not? 1^st day holy or not?

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D.Lim: Be careful to observe the facts and count the figures. No use relying on some pre-digested lessons.

Often Jesus came into conflict with the Jewish

authorities regarding the Sabbath. The issue was not

be done on the Sabbath. The Jewish rabbis had burdened

down the Sabbath with hundreds of man-made regulations

which God had never authorized. The Sabbath, which had

been made to be a blessing, had become a drudgery. If

Jesus had conformed to those human traditions He would

have been affirming that human authorities have the

D.Lim: My issue is not about whether Sabbath is to be kept. Someone claimed to disagree with me with very long lessons/e-mails.

I have been teaching that it is alright to worship Christ on the 1^st day as well as on any day.

stirred up the wrath of the Pharisees, nowhere do we

message, it could still be said of that person, as of

law.?Acts 22:12. The Christian leaders reported to

there are which believe; and they are all zealous of

the law.?Acts 21:20.

D.Lim: Peter lived like Gentiles. Jesus dined with sinners, and touched the unclean.

The NT (inspired Word of God) is the NT and not the OT. Gentiles are not to follow all things Jews do. No circumcision. No OT food law. No OT hair growth law. No sacrificial law. No Christian Synagogue. No Christian Temple.

anywhere in Scripture. Nowhere is it called the

Isaiah 58:13. Notice the following:

1. The Sabbath was instituted at Creation, 2000 years

before there ever was a Jew.

D.Lim: And the Lord of the Sabbath is there with us today, as He was there before creation.

Were we talking about the 10 commandments only?

Well Moses was not around then.

D.Lim: Use it well.

sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the

Lord, to serve him, and to love the name of the Lord,

to be his servants, every one that keepeth the Sabbath

from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant;

Even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make

them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt

offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon

mine altar.?According to this verse, only when

covenant are they able to enjoy the fullest experience

of worship.

D.Lim: Those who would like to be bound by the OT may do so. Those who are free are cursed by the Nicolaitans who enforce rules to make them sons of misery/burden.

but rather to God Himself and all who connect

themselves with Him.

D.Lim: A twist of the mind.

Not only did God bless the Sabbath itself (Exodus

20:11), but he has also promised a special blessing to

doeth this, and the son of man that layeth hold on it;

that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and

keepeth his hand from doing evil. Neither let the son

of the stranger, that hath joined himself to the Lord,

speak, saying, The Lord hath utterly separated me from

his people: neither let the eunuch say, Behold, I am a

dry tree. For thus saith the Lord unto the eunuchs

that keep my sabbaths, and choose the things that

please me, and take hold of my covenant; Even unto

them will I give in mine house and within my walls a

place and a name better than of sons and of daughters:

I will give them an everlasting name, that shall not

be cut off. Also the sons of the stranger, that join

themselves to the Lord, to serve him, and to love the

name of the Lord, to be his servants, every one that

keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold

of my covenant; Even them will I bring to my holy

mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer.?

Isaiah 56:2-7.

D.Lim: Did God promise curse for observing other days? Did God promise curse for doing good in any day? No! All days are for men to do well and do good. Keeping your hand from doing evil is to do good with your hand. The Lord has not utterly separated 6 days from the 7^th day.

Some people have wondered if the seventh day of the

week is now the same day that it was when the Lord

created the world. There is no question as to which

day the Sabbath was in New Testament times, because

the Creator Himself was on earth. His practice

confirmed the Sabbath which the Jews had been

people have wondered about is during the centuries

that have followed. How can we be sure that time has

not been lost since then? We will look at five lines

of proof.

D.Lim: Never in Scripture is it mentioned that the Sabbath on the 7^th day is the Lord¡¦s Day. The term is not even there in the Bible.

Proof of the Lord¡¦s Day which is not mentioned in the Bible? Or just proof of the 7^th day?

The calendar which was in use when Jesus was on earth

who died 44 years before Christ was born. Its primary

drawback was that it considered a year to be exactly

365 ?days long. Time revealed, however, that an

actual solar year is eleven minutes and fourteen

seconds shorter than that. After several centuries,

the calendar would become out of step with the

seasons.

D.Lim: So people keep the number, but time drifted.

exceptions to the leap year plan which had been used

in the Julian Calendar. Instead of having a leap year

every fourth year, it was found necessary to omit the

leap year whenever the fourth year landed on the

beginning of a century, such as the year 1700, 1800,

and 1900. The exception to that exception would occur

whenever the century year was divisible by 400, such

as the years 1600 and 2000.

the world gradually adjusted its calendar to bring it

back into step. The Catholic nations were the first to

make the change. Pope Gregory XIII authorized a change

in October of 1582 which dropped ten days from the

calendar, the dates were caught up where they should

have been.

D.Lim: So, different nations would have different calendar days. 10 days loss would shift the 7 day count.

and had absolutely no effect upon the weekly cycle.

The fifth day of the week, Thursday, October 4, 1582

was followed by the sixth day of the week, Friday,

October 15, 1582. The weekly cycle was uninterrupted.

October 1582

Sun==Mon==Tue==Wed==Thur==Fri==Sat

======1====2====3====4====15===16

17====18===19===20===21===22===23

In other nations, the changeover was made later:

English-speaking countries in 1752, Japan in 1873,

China in 1912, Turkey and Russia in 1917, Serbia in

1919, and Greece in 1923. In each case the number of

the date of the month was adjusted, but the days of

the week were untouched. For example, in Britain and

her colonies, the fourth day of the week, Wednesday,

September 2, 1752, was followed by the fifth day of

the week, Thursday, September 14, 1752.

D.Lim: So, the months were shifting. Though the weekdays remained unchanged, 12 days were gone.

same time, the dates of the months varied from country

to country for over 300 years. But one thing was the

their own calendar; yet when it was Sabbath in Russia,

it was Sabbath in Germany, England, Italy, and all

over the world. The Encyclopedia Britannica calls it

D.Lim: So the sabbath fell on different days. The weekly circle was not there in the Chinese (Lunar) calender.

Afterall, the Encyclopeaia Britannica is a superficial book with a lot of mistakes. It is not the standard for scholarship.

The Jews have been careful to keep track of the true

Sabbath. No change would slip past their notice.

D.Lim: Even that some Jew deliberately forget Hebrew and spoke local languages, and led secular living?

Even that the Jews came to develop Rabbinical religion? Even that they could not interpret Scriptures as to recognise Christ?

Changes could, indeed, slip past their notice.

D.Lim: Which Catholic? Roman Catholic? Or all there is as the Church?

of the Christian era, and a change in the days of the

week could not have inadvertently taken place without

Catholics having something to say about it. But as

their records show, they have guarded the identity of

the first day of the week as faithfully as the Jews

have the seventh.

D.Lim: Oh! The Roman Catholic Church!!!!!! Why bow to their authority? Were they the beast???

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Here is a most fascinating evidence of a long-held and

deeply embeded recognition of the seventh day

throughout the world. In more than 100 languages the

actual common name for the day we call Saturday is

Polish: Sobota

Greek: Sabbaton

Russian: Subbata

Portuguese: Sabbado

Spanish: Sabbado

Italian: Sabbato

D.Lim: Not in Chinese.

In English, Saturday is more for Saturn, a pagan denotation from Roman time.

How about French?

European languages are inter-related. Try African and Asian languages.

the works of specialists in chronology and we have

never found one of them that has ever had the

slightest doubt about the continuity of the weekly

cycle.... There has been no change in our calendar in

past centuries that has affected in any way the cycle

of the week.?Dr. A. James Robertson, Director,

American Ephemeris, Navy Department, U.S. Naval

Observatory, Washington, D.C.

Calendar there has been no change in the seven day

rota of the week, which has come down from very early

times.?Sir Frank W. Dyson, Astronomer Royal, Royal

Observatory, Greenwich, London.

deal of confusion concerning the question of so-called

`lost time.?Alterations that have been made to the

calendar in the past have left the impression that

time has actually been lost. In point of fact, of

course, these adjustments were made to bring the

calendar into closer agreement with the natural year.

Now, unfortunately, this supposed `lost time?is still

being used to throw doubt upon the unbroken cycle of

the Seventh-day Sabbath that God inaugurated at the

Creation. I am glad that I can add the witness of my

scientific training to the irrevocable nature of the

weekly cycle.

D.Lim: What some people think they know is no proof of facts/truth.

Graduated and not educated. A personal opinion rather than calculated facts.

years, I can testify . . . that all our days are in

daily rotation of the earth on its axis. This daily

period of rotation does not vary one-thousandth part

of a second in thousands of years . . . . Not a day

has been lost since Creation, and all the calendar

changes notwithstanding, there has been no break in

the weekly cycle.?Dr. Frank Jeffries, Research

Director of the Royal Observatory, Greenwich, England.

D.Lim: How stupid. Speaking of time when nobody knew about.

the most ancient scientific institution bequeathed to

us by antiquity.?Edouard Baillaud, Director of the

Paris Observatory.

astronomers could rediscover the time simply by

calculating the positions of the stars which God has

days, and years.?Genesis 1:14.

D.Lim: Yet there is disagreement to the Big Bang and formation of pre-historical creation.

Time remote in history is a matter of scientific guesswork. Carbon 14 dating is not exact to the week; hardly to the day.

He has also made sure there would be no confusion as

to which day that is.

John 19v31:

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The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away. -KJV

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For they that dwell at Jerusalem, and their rulers, because they knew him not, nor yet the voices of the prophets which are read every sabbath day, they have fulfilled them in condemning him.

Hebrews 4 vv9-11:

4:9 ³o¼Ë¬Ý¨Ó, ¥²¥t¦³¤@¦w®§¤éªº¦w®§, ¬°¯«ªº¤l¥Á¦s¯d.

There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.

4:10 ¦]¬°¨º¶i¤J¦w®§ªº, ¤D¬O·²¤F¦Û¤vªº¤u, ¥¿¦p¯«·²¤F¥Lªº¤u¤@¼Ë.

For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.

D.Lim: The OT sabbath is only a shadow of what is to come. Strive to this Godly Rest reserved for His people. Let each sabbath be a reminder for the goodness of God Almighty.

Matt 12:12 ¤H¤ñ¦Ï¦óµ¥¶Q­«©O. ©Ò¥H¦b¦w®§¤é§@µ½¨Æ¬O¥i¥Hªº.

How much then is a man better than a sheep? Wherefore it is lawful to do well on the sabbath days. -KJV

D.Lim: Abstaining from work on Sabbath and rest is good. Helping the needy is also doing good. Both are good. So, what is to be done? To do the good part that benefit(building up in well-being rather than tearing down) is the spirit of the law.

So Christ said in Matt 12v12 � it is lawful to do well on the sabbath days.

It is also lawful to do good daily, all the time. Hence, all days are sanctified by the Lord, to do good.

Lets be 7 days Christians/believers, and not just 7^th day Christians/believers.

Lets die to sin daily. Lets avoid sinning daily. And Glory be to God.

I hardly have time to be exhaustive. The challenger came assuming I do not observe the 7^th day.

But I have no intention to make Christians sons of myseries.