A linkage between Humanism and Bible Errancy.
Listed below, a correspondence between David Sparrow and Mr Farrel Till, an
advocate of non-Christian society and christian/bible errancy:
Envelope-to: dlim@interlog.com
Mailing-List: contact errancyn-owner@egroups.com
X-Mailing-List: errancyn@egroups.com
X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/errancyn/
From: "david sparrow"
Newsgroups: alt.bible.errancy
Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 08:52:58 GMT
Sender: alt.bible.errancy
X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452
Subject: Re: Inerrancy
> TILL
> I am saying that a well-defined biblical inerrancy
> doctrine does not exist and is widely proclaimed by
> evangelical/fundamentalist Christians.
D.Lim:
How well is well enough?
God is not errant. And the Law of God can not sway.
It is therefore
inerrant in its definition, boundries and execution.
The bible is not just a guide to human living. It is the law book of the
covenants of the almighty with His creation.
Such doctrine existed long ago; and is written in a lot of evangelical
declaration of faith.
To equate evangelical with fundamental is to equate conservative and
liberal with fundamental. A conflict exists.
There are Liberal Evangelicals. There are those who preach fervently, and
yet having hearts and doctrines far from God.
It is hard to imagine that Evangelicals are widely proclaiming a doctrine
that does not exist in their creed/confession of faith/writings.
D Sparrow
Thank you. I agree wholeheartedly.
"Now we can all get some sleep ..."
D.Lim:
Both seem to agree that the doctrine of inerrancy is not found in any
christian confession of faith.
Till is fighting, to his understanding; a christian constitution that is
unwritten. Spot any contradiction?
> TILL
> I do this as a way of counteracting a well organized
> fundamentalist movement in the U. S. to impose
> "biblical principles" on the country by legislative force.
D.Lim:
A lone ranger.
Do these people not represent part of democracy?
Are they not citizens of USA voting and campaigning for their society?
Do they not have the right of their life-style reflected by their majority?
Should humanists and non-believers not recognise the constitutional rights
of other fellow citizens on their land, in their country?
Should they not respect the law of the land, and live according to
democracy?
Should they not influence changes via votes, discussion and public
education; and above all, let all citizens decide the paths the country
should lead?
Should their Theocracy of their selfish intention rule over the Theocracy
of all others and that of the Almighty God?
Legislative force?
Humanists and non-believers have no such force?
And Mr Till, by debates can produce counteracting forces against such
legislative force of the USA?
These people really hate the Word of God, the Bible.
Equating counteracting forces with degrading/demoting the Bible?
The Almighty ruled in the beginning when there was no human but chaos on
earth.
The Almighty ruled when there were no scriptures, but Adam and Eve.
The Almighty also ruled when the New Testament was not yet revealed/written.
Degrading the Bible as errant simply has no logical/established reason/plan
to counteract the Almighty and His slaves (christians) who do His bidding.
For those people who have no bible, the word of God is written in their
hearts, that they know there is such a thing as right and wrong,
righteousness and evil.
D Sparrow
Wot, like "thou shalt not murder", et al ?
Isn't all that already in your constitutions
and judicial systems ? Oh, it's for "other
people", not you ...
D.Lim:
What sort of nice people like murdering?
What is so bad about this constitution/law that people ought not murder?
Even Godless countries (eg: China, Russia, France) have similar law to
discourage murder.
Who play God in selecting which part of the bible is to follow, and which
part must be taken liberally/lightly?
Who ought to dictate what not to believe without Thecracy?
Who is this God that live short life, needs food and drink, and have no
power over illnesses and time?
Who is this God who cannot escape corruption and surely has an end, that
even mere mortals can foresee?
D Sparrow
I've got a USofA 5cent piece sitting on my
keyboard here, and it still has "In God we
trust" stamped on it (along with an image
of Adam Weishaupt and the NWO
thang) - I suppose you want that changed
too ?
What are these "biblical principles" you
are alleging are in the process of some
sort of attempt to be imposed on you, and
which of them are provably "errant" and thus
presumably of no good value to the country
and it's people, anyway ?
Shouldn't your attentions be more towards
the Real Powers That Be in your country
that being "The Jews" ?
D.Lim:
Mr Till has not been specific or direct in pointing out the exact problem
of the bible against a decent society.
He appears to be anti-christian and anti-bible so much that he is willing
to spend much time debating, rather than reasoning with evidence and admit
his mistake and lack of knowledge when treading upon issues he has little
understanding and knowledge of.
If errant bible lead to errant bible principles that people need not
follow; then errant human ideals/minds/ideas/understandings lead to errant
human principles that people need not follow.
No sane/reasonable person should therefore follow anything Mr Till and
errantists have to say or to affirm.
regarDS
http://geocities.com/Heartland/2175/ephraim.html#Ephraim
http://geocities.com/Heartland/2175/babylon.html#Babylon
D.Lim:
Even the internet web page of D Sparrow spells rebellion, Godless
socialization, and human rule/kingdom.
Some sort of progress? Yes.
Peace? Love? and God centred? NO!
Human centred? Yes.
Car bomb kills 19 Iraqis
Victims mostly security forces
9:56 AM 2 Jan 05
D.Lim: Security forces seen/regarded as enemies. No One World accord.
Israel sends tanks into northern Gaza after mortar attack
Abbas pledges to shield militants
2:52 PM 2 Jan 05
D.Lim: War/military, intimidation, and killing used as means to achieve peace and dominance. State law does not represent law of peace.
A week after the worldˇ¦s worst earthquake in four decades pushed the Indian Ocean on shore, U.S. forces pressed ahead with one of their biggest-ever relief missions with the death toll likely to hit 150,000. - 2 Jan 05
D.Lim: U.S. seen as military evil by many opposition sides and countries, is reported by (the believed to be PeaceMaker country - Canada - Toronto Star) to be pressing ahead with one of their biggest-ever relief missions.
Tense wait for word of the missing
Jan. 2, 2005. 11:09 AM
Using Red Cross lists of the missing, reports from blogs and message boards as well as calls to the newspaper as a guide, the Star has attempted to compile a list of those still in limbo in Southeast Asia.
D.Lim: Relief work and record being done by an organisation began with the Christian notion of the Cross and red color representation of the sacrificial redemption of Christ Jesus.
Transmission of love, relief, peace and life-saving effort is dominated by the Red Cross, instead of by copycat follow-up organisations of other religion and the United Nations.
Children and nature topped our readers' picks of favourite Star photos. 2-Jan 05
D.Lim: The World has not turned to Yhwh God for any significant repentance, prayer effort, meditation, or resolution. The World's majority represented by the media, has been turning away from the Almighty God.
Answering errancy allegation ||
Examining Jewish geneaology from Exodus Ch 1
||
A Failed Prophesy on Tyre? ||
Another Failed Prophesy on Tyre? ||
Why 4 Gospels? ||
Hebrew Matthew and document Q ||
Census in Luke Ch 2 ( Anachronism? ) ||
Similarity warrants Recognition and Unity?
||
Freewill and pre-destination ||
Dynamic Equivalence and Propitiation ||
Photography ||
Photo Gallery ||
Portrait Gallery ||
Architecture ||
Design Consultancy ||
Preacher ||
Herbalist ||
Cool Sites ||
e-mail