Are homosexual act and desire
mentioned in the Bible?
Gay scholar: - Actually, the Bible says nothing about homosexuality.
Gay Scholar: Author's Note: "Know" simply means know! No hint at homosexuality exists in the original Hebrew. No later Bible references to Sodom ever mention homosexuality as the sin of Sodom.
We will see again below whether this is so.
Gay Scholar: None of the biblical references to Sodom mention sexual sins but view Sodom as an example of injustice, lack of hospitality to strangers, idolatry and as a symbol for desolation and destruction. See Deuteronomy 29:22-28; 32:32; Ezekiel 16:49-50; Jeremiah 49:18; 50:41; Isaiah 13:19-22 and Matthew 10:14-15.
The term "know - yawda" is refered to sexual activity as well.
Gay Scholar: The word "know" in Genesis 19:5 is Hebrew YADA. It is used 943 times in the Old Testament to "know" God, good and evil, the truth, the law, people, places, things, etc. It is a very flexible word, as are many Hebrew words. In Genesis 19:5, the word was used to express the request of the people of Sodom that Lot should bring out the strangers in his house so that they could know who they were. Sodom was a tiny fortress in the barren wasteland south of the Dead Sea. The only strangers that the people of Sodom ever saw were enemy tribes who wanted to destroy and take over their valuable fortress and the trade routes that it protected. Lot himself was an alien in their midst.
The term is so flexible that this gay scholar has categorically rule out the possibility that it could refer to sexual act.
Gay Scholar: Special note on YADA: The Hebrew word YADA "to know" is never used in the Old Testament to mean "to have sex with". People have been conditioned to think that "to know someone biblically" means to have sex.
Would it not be so that the gay circles want to condition people to think otherwise?
Lets see:
Judges19vv22-27
v22. As they were making their hearts
merry, behold, the men of the city, certain base fellows, beset the house
round about, beating at the door; and they spoke to the master of the house,
the old man, saying, Bring forth the man that came into thy house, that we may
know him.
These fellows did not come from good lineage. They are Beliate, sons of Belial; ie: sons of the devil. This does not suggest a friendly lot.
They beset the house, beating at the door. - not a friendly way to approach any stranger. Not mentioned here as a common practice or a friendly way to make friends with anyone.
They demanded the man who came into the house be brought out. This is not a custom there or a friendly way to know and make friend with strangers.
Nomads usually ask to come in and sit with strangers, travellers to eat and drink with them. They make merry in the tent, house, rather than asking people to come out of the house into open air.
v23. And the man, the master of the house, went out unto them, and said unto them, No, my brethren, I ask of you, do not so wickedly; seeing that this man has come into my house, do not this folly.
The master of the house did not welcome them in. They were not welcomed even by the master of the house.
The master of the house (recorded here) regarded their demand of having the man come out of the house to know him, a very wicked act. This does not suggest friendliness.
Their demand was known to be folly rather than a being a common practice to make friends.
v24. Behold, here is my daughter a virgin, and his concubine; them I will bring out now, and humble ye them, and do with them what seemeth good unto you: but unto this man do not any such folly.
The master offered his daughter a virgin and his concubine instead. This act has something to do with virginity! Sexuality.
This offer suggest that the demand is related to sexual acts.
The sons of Belial already knew the daughter of the master who are locallers there. This suggest that the demand of "knowing" is not to do with making friends, understanding their intention further.
This "knowing" is regarded by the local master to be a dominating act and folly. He offered two women for this folly instead of surrendering his male visitor. This is more than diplomacy for general visitors and natives.
v25. But the men would not hearken to him: so the man laid hold on his concubine, and brought her forth unto them; and they knew her, and abused her all the night until the morning: and when the day began to spring, they let her go.
The man laid hold on his concubine, and brought her forth to them - A physical act.
"They knew her" - a expression of an act. Not to do with knowing the person better for peace or friendship.
They even abused her all the night until the morning. - hardly a friendly act to go with knowing.
"They let her go" - suggest that she was under detention and control of these men. So, the term, "know" is not related to spying, learning and friendship.
v26. Then came the woman in the dawning of the day, and fell down at the door of the man's house where her lord was, till it was light.
The woman fell down after the abuse.
v27. And her lord rose up in the morning, and opened the doors of the house, and went out to go his way; and, behold, the woman his concubine was fallen down at the door of the house, with her hands upon the threshold.
Strong's Ref. # 3045
Romanized yada`
Pronounced yaw-dah'
a primitive root; to know (properly, to ascertain by seeing); used in a great variety of senses, figuratively, literally, euphemistically and inferentially (including observation, care, recognition; and causatively, instruction, designation, punishment, etc.) [as follow]:
KJV--acknowledge, acquaintance(-ted with), advise, answer, appoint, assuredly, be aware, [un-]awares, can[-not], certainly, comprehend, consider, X could they, cunning, declare, be diligent, (can, cause to) discern, discover, endued with, familiar friend, famous, feel, can have, be [ig-]norant, instruct, kinsfolk, kinsman, (cause to let, make) know, (come to give, have, take) knowledge, have [knowledge], (be, make, make to be, make self) known, + be learned, + lie by man, mark, perceive, privy to, X prognosticator, regard, have respect, skilful, shew, can (man of) skill, be sure, of a surety, teach, (can) tell, understand, have [understanding], X will be, wist, wit, wot.
"Knowing" is even a violent act in scriptures.
Romans Ch1 - Letter of Paul:
v21. For although they
knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their
thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened.
v22.
Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools
v23. and exchanged the
glory of the immortal God for images made to look like mortal man and birds
and animals and reptiles.
v24. Therefore God gave them over in the sinful
desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies
with one another.
v25. They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and
worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator--who is forever
praised. Amen.
v26. Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts.
Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones.
v27. In
the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were
inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other
men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.
v28.
Furthermore, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of
God, he gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what ought not to be done.
v29. They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed
and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They
are gossips,
v30. slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful;
they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents;
v31. they are
senseless, faithless, heartless, ruthless.
v32. Although they know God's
righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only
continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.
-NIV
Are these terms and phrases not speaking of unnatural non-heterosexual relations - "shameful lusts", "invent ways of doing evil", "senseless, faithless, heartless, ruthless", "a depraved mind, to do what ought not to be done", "sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity", "their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones", "the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men", "perversion"?
Here in the Bible, Paul in his letter, speaks of women exchanging natural relations for unnatural ones, and men abandoned natural relations with women to lust after men. This is spoken as indecent acts with other men and perversion.
Nothing vague concerning the Biblical position, Paul's inspired position against homo relationship.
Often, scholars like to invent ideas and impress others with their degrees and titles. But the importance is that everyone ought to turn to the written Word first for fundamentals and foundation of life, Godliness, reasoning, and base of scholarship.
All other ways are sinking sand.
HUMAN RIGHTS COURTS BAN BIBLE VERSES AGAINST HOMOSEXUALITY June 21, 2001
EWTN reports: The Saskatchewan Human Rights Commission (HRC) has ordered
both the Saskatoon StarPhoenix newspaper and Hugh Owens of Regina to pay
C$1,500 to three homosexual activists for publishing an ad in the Saskatoon
newspaper quoting Bible verses regarding homosexuality.
The ruling issued
Friday by the sole adjudicator, feminist lawyer Valerie Watson, also prohibits
Hugh Owens, who purchased the ad, from further publishing or displaying the
bumper stickers submitted in evidence in a newspaper or any other medium, and
prohibits The StarPhoenix from accepting the ad for any future publications.
On June 30, 1997, Owens placed the ad in the StarPhoenix to coincide with Gay
Pride Week. His intention, as a committed Christian, was to draw people's
attention to the Biblical teachings on homosexuality. The ad gave four Bible
passages from Romans, Leviticus, and First Corinthians, which condemn
homosexuality. The list was followed by a mathematical equal sign, which was
followed by two stick-figure men holding hands. This drawing was contained
within the universal prohibition symbol (circle with a slash across it).
DLim: Do you consider this freedom of speech?
Talking about hurt and bigotry, do you see that the minority groups of Christians are being persecuted and are suffering under the oppression of anti-christian and anti-Bible activists?
Shouldn't Christians have rights of open expression as well?
Shouldn't they be entitled to social protection as well?
NAMBLA And Homosexual Activism
Pedophiles And Homosexual Activists Push For Total Sexual Liberation
In August, 2003, the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) filed a lawsuit against the state of Kansas over the state's criminal sodomy law involving children. The ACLU is defending Matthew Limon, a homosexual who committed sodomy against a 14-year-old boy in 2000. At the time of his crime, Simon was 18 years old. The ACLU is claiming that Limon's conviction is unconstitutionally discriminatory because the penalties for sodomy with a minor are different than for heterosexual sex with a minor.
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耶穌基督的救恩將人從根本而終極的惡中救出來，藉著救主，死亡不再是終極的惡，它已被置於生命的力量之下。
完全的善是由耶穌而來。
在天上和地下只有耶穌基督的救恩是唯一使人的罪得赦及與神和好的途徑。
There is no phobia in/by obeying God/Christ. - David Lim 2003
Anti-natural camps have invented a name for an non-existent illness/disease, calling it homophobia.
Christians have no phobia or fear of Christians.
Christians just are not like non-believing sinners.
July 30, 2004 -- The Ex-Gay Educators Caucus that ran a booth at the recent National Education Association conference in Washington, DC, faced a barrage of verbal abuse from NEA delegates who walked by their booth.
Amish dispute the claim of the multicultural canon that all values and beliefs are equally valid. Such tolerance, they believe, denies the very possibility of truth."
Aug. 1, 2004. 08:06 AM - Toronto Star
ROME - The Vatican issued a letter yesterday attacking the "distortions" and "lethal effects" of feminism, which it defined as an effort to erase differences between men and women — a goal, the statement said, that undermines the "natural two-parent structure" of the family and makes "homosexuality and heterosexuality virtually equivalent."
