Is there no Original Sin?

Babies look innocent. You do not see babies sinning?

The righteous shall live by faith. (Hab2 v4)

Romans 3 v10 - There is not even one that is (absolutely) righteous.

How do babies worship the only true God? Breaking the 1st commandment.

How do babies honor the Name of the Most High? Breaking the 2nd commandment.

How do babies honor their fathers and mothers? Breaking the 4th commandment.

How do babies keep the Sabbath or the Lord's day holy? Breaking the 3rd commandment.

How do babies not covet other's goods? Breaking the 10th commandment.

Breaking one law is the same as breaking all. Still not deserving death? Please be honest; not just being nice in keeping your babies.

Romans 2 v23.

The law does not come into the babies life. Therefore babies are not bound by laws.

Are babies allowed by our laws (of societies) to commit just anything?

Human/Common law, family law, marriage law, health and safety act, food code, exist before child-birth. The law of the Most High existed long before our ancestors came to existence.

Babies are bound by custodian laws. Babies are not free to wander everywhere.

Babies do not know of any law, therefore are not bound by law. Without law or the knowledge of law they can not possibly sin.

You are bound by natural laws, such as gravity and ageing even that you may not know them, and not knowing how they work. Innocence is no defence/excuse.

Even in the laws of our societies, we do not and cannot prosecute those who do not know the law. They cannot be regarded as guilty.

Babies are not made to realise the law at their infancy.

Innocense is no defence/excuse. When you speed a vehicle on the road, you are offending a traffic law. Your lack of knowledge of such law and road sign is irrelevant. You will still be stopped and charged.

Babies look innocent.

We should walk by principle rather than by sight.

Having a form of godliness does not mean godly. (Titus 3v5)

How can you expect babies to go to hell when they die?

This is just a play on emotion, rather than regarding the teachings of the Word of God.

How can you expect Judas Iscariot, one of the chosen 12 disciples to go to hell? Simply because scripture say so, and later reasoning revealed that he had not repented from his evil deed of betrayal.

How can you expect Adam to sin merely be eating a fruit? Scripture taught us so. God said so. He was expelled. He died. Death is a proof of sin, and the verdict of sin. thorns and thistles grow up - this is environmental proof.

God can only ask/require you to do what you can do; and keep what you can keep.

Where is this verse found/located in scriptures? Interpretation is not scripture/law.

God requires a step of faith. The just shall live by faith. Faith in Christ; in the salvation of God. Faith in His providence. Faith in trusting His goodness.

Without faith Abraham could not offer up his son. Without faith he would not have moved to a foreign land.

Without faith Christians are all men most miserable.

By the flesh shall no man be justified.

It is not right for the loving and just God to do things just for His sake, creating sinners in order to save them.

The Almighty does not need or have to follow the initiation of His creation. He does do things according to His own good will and Name's sake. eg: 2Kings 20v6.

He alone is righteous and love all the time.

Doing things according to His own will is acting righteously and in love.

The wisdom of God surpasses all understanding. Great is the mystery of God. Who can comprehend all His thoughts?

It is God's plan and blessings that we rely on His Grace for sufficiency. We are not sharing His Grace if we seek to be completely justified by the law of works, that we at some stage of life be seen as completely free from sin, and need no redemption, no salvation to be with the Holy God for eternity. - Gal 5 vv4-6.

But people have free will. God is unjust if He dictates/controls all thoughts and action of His people/creature? You would not want to have total control over your kids?

Eph2 v8. for by grace have ye been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God;
v9. not of works, that no man should glory.
v10. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God afore prepared that we should walk in them.

Grace is unasked, undeserved gift from God. We are saved by Grace. We did nothing outside (apart from) God that deserves salvation.

The faith and grace that are not of ourselves. All initiated from God, that He through Christ our Lord can be all and in all. He is the Alpha and Omega, the author and finisher.

Works and deeds springing from and after faith are also initiated by God, for we are His workmanship, created in Christ. God afore prepared our ways. Men did not build/fashion it.

We came from dust. Without the good God, we turn back to dust.

Gen1 v1. In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
v2. And the earth was waste and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep: and the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

We came from wast and void/emptiness. this was our achievement. Good babies/infants?
We were in darkness. The face of the deep we were in as dust was covered in darkness. Any brightness in our beginning? What is the point of gaining freewill in darkness? How should that dark freewill gain heaven by its own effort? How fair do you want to get, by being what you really were? That was in darkness.

Yet despite all these, God came. He intervened. He created light and separated light from darkness (Gen1v4).

Total unity with God is light, love and joy. Its darkness away from God. Babies are not generally born in God and into God immediately after birth. They cried. They shivered. They hungered.

Wanting happiness by their own is selfishness is SIN! Wanting to be with God in unity in truth is LOVE, is being God indeed.

When babies grow up, they get away, further from God, until they are called or reminded to return. They sin and sin until they are brought back to be with God. What turned outward was then turned inward.

If babies are born sinless while there are the laws given, they will have stayed that way for ever.

A magnet does not repel a piece of iron before it attracts it later. If it attracts, it does so from the very beginning, and stays that way.


I, Rev. David C S Lim, ªL§Ó¸Û, can be reached by internet Preacher.html
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